INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAI‘I: Waikīkī Natatorium War Memorial | Program


AN ICONIC LANDMARK ON OʻAHU
FOR MORE THAN 90 YEARS, THE WAIKIKI NATATORIUM WAR
MEMORIAL WAS BUILT TO HONOR THOSE FROM HAWAIʻI WHO SERVED
AND DIED IN WORLD WAR I. THE POOL AND BLEACHERS HAVE
BEEN CLOSED FOR MORE THAN A GENERATION DUE TO NEGLECT AND
DECAY. A NEW PLAN HAS SURFACED TO
RESTORE THE STRUCTURE BUT AT SIGNIFICANT COST. SOME SAY IT’S WORTH IT,
OTHERS DISAGREE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? JOIN THE CONVERSATION ON
INSIGHTS TONIGHT ON PBS HAWAIʻI. [INTRO MUSIC]>>Daryl:
DARYL: ALOHA AND WELCOME TO INSIGHTS ON PBS HAWAIʻI…I’M
DARYL HUFF. DUKE KAHANAMOKU INAUGURATED
THE WAIKIKI NATATORIUM WAR MEMORIAL IN 1927 WHEN HE DOVE
INTO THE POOL AND WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO SWIM IN IT. ALTHOUGH THE POOL REMAINED
OPEN FOR THE NEXT 52 YEARS, IT WAS PLAGUED ALMOST
IMMEDIATELY WITH POOR DRAINAGE AND WATER
CIRCULATION PROBLEMS. YET. ONE YEAR AFTER IT WAS CLOSED
IN 1979, IT WAS PLACED ON THE NATIONAL REGISTER OF HISTORIC
PLACES AND HAS CONTINUED TO GARNER NATIONAL RECOGNITION
AS AN HISTORIC SITE. THE GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY
HAVE BEEN ARGUING FOR YEARS OVER WHAT TO DO WITH THE WAR
MEMORIAL, PROPOSING EVERYTHING FROM DEMOLITION TO
FULL RESTORATION. A NEW
PROPOSAL WAS PUT ON THE TABLE A MONTH AGO. IS THIS THE
ANSWER EVERYONE HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR? OUR GUESTS TONIGHT INCLUDE
REPRESENTATIVES FROM BOTH THE GOVERNMENT AND THE COMMUNITY
AS WELL AS AN EXPERT ON THE POTENTIAL IMPACT OF CLIMATE
CHANGE ON SHORELINE AREAS. WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR
PARTICIPATION IN TONIGHT’S SHOW. YOU CAN EMAIL, CALL OR
TWEET YOUR QUESTIONS. AND
YOU’LL FIND A LIVE STREAM OF THIS PROGRAM AT PBSHAWAII.ORG
AND THE PBS HAWAIʻI FACEBOOK PAGE. NOW TO OUR GUESTS. ROBERT KRONING IS THE
DIRECTOR OF THE HONOLULU CITY AND COUNTY’S DEPARTMENT OF
DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. HE
IS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER BY TRAINING. DOLAN EVERSOLE IS THE WAIKIKI
BEACH MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF HAWAIʻI
SEA GRANT COLLEGE PROGRAM. HE IS A COASTAL GEOLOGIST. KIERSTEN FAULKNER IS THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HISTORIC HAWAI’I FOUNDATION,
AN ORGANIZATION THAT OVERSEES ALL ASPECTS OF PRESERVATION
PROGRAMS IN HAWAIʻI. JAMES BICKERTON IS AN
ATTORNEY FOR THE KAIMANA BEACH COALITION, AN
ORGANIZATION OF KAIMANA BEACH USERS WHOSE MISSION IS TO
PROTECT THE LAST LOCAL BEACH ON OAHU’S SOUTH SHORE FROM
DEVELOPMENT AND COMMERCIALIZATION. CAN YOU WALK YOU THROUGH THE
HISTORY OF THE NATATORIUM AND WHY IT WAS BUILT AND WHY SUCH
A FACILITY AS OPPOSED TO JUST A NOVELIST FOR SOMETHING. WORLD WAR I HORRIFIC EVENT
IT’S OF THE 20TH CENTURY. FOR GENERATIONS, REALLY
SHAPED HOW WE THINK ABOUT WORD ENGAGEMENT AND WAR. AFTER THE WAR ENDED, IN 1918,
THERE WAS A WORLDWIDE EFFORT TO REMEMBER, HONOR THE DEAD,
BUT ALSO TO SAY WE DON’T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN. SO WAR MEMORIALS POPPED UP ALL
AROUND THE WORLD, BUT DIFFERENT THAN WAR MEMORIALS
WE HAD SEEN BEFORE. NAPOLEON I CAN, CIVIL WAR,
LEVELING MEMORIALS. PLACES WHERE COMMUNITY
MEMBERS WOULD GATHER, ENGAGE IN COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES AND
SOCIALIZING, THEY CALLED IT THE LIVING MEMORIALS BECAUSE
IDEA WAS THE LIVING TO REMEMBER WHY THEY WERE ABLE TO
ENJOY THE LIFE THAT WE HAVE. SO HAWAI’I, AT THE TIME, THE
TERRITORY OF HAWAI’I, DECIDED THAT THIS LIVING MEMORIAL WAS
NECESSARY TO HONOR THE SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF WHO SERVED IN
THE GREAT WAR THERE WAS A DESIGN COMPETITION TERRITORY
LEGISLATURE, ESTABLISHED THE PARAMETERS WHERE IT WOULD BE,
IT WOULD INCLUDE A SWIMMING COURSE, AT LEAST 100 METERS.>>AND THEY BROUGHT A
ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW PANEL TO CHOOSE THE DESIGN.>>Daryl: WAS THE FACT THAT WE
HAD THIS FAMOUS WATERMAN WORLD FAMOUS WATERMAN DUKE
KAHANAMOKU FAMOUS AT THE TIME PART OF MOTIVATION OF HAVING
THIS KIND OF PLACE?>>HAVING A RECREATIONAL
CENTER FOR SWIMMING, WATER SPORTS, VERY MUCH A PART OF
IT. AT THE TIME THERE WEREN’T A
THE LOT OF SWIMMING POOLS. NATATORIUM MEANS INDOOR
SWIMMING POOL. IT WAS A PLACE FOR THAT KIND
OF ACTIVITY TO OCCUR. CERTAINLY, DUKE KAHANAMOKU
OLYMPIAN WHO PUT HAWAI’I ON THE MAP FOR WORLD WATER SPORT,
CERTAINLY PART OF T.>>Daryl: WHAT HAPPENED, WE
MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING,
THERE WERE SOME MECHANICAL ISSUES WITH IT. WHAT HAPPENED OVER TIME TO IT
AND WHAT IS THE CURRENT CONDITIONS?>>I THINK IT’S PRETTY CLEAR
THE CURRENT ACCEPTABLE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. BLIGHT ON THE CITY, ON WAIKIKI. ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION BEHIND
IT, I THINK, WITHIN 2 YEARS, IT STARTED TO DECAY AND SHOW
SOME SIGNS OF WEAR ALREADY. AND THROUGH THE YEARS, IT’S
GONE THROUGH SEVERAL DIFFERENT EFFORTS TO REPAIR
IT SOME, AND KEEPS DECAYING EVEN MORE. UNTIL 1979, WHEN IT WAS IN
SUCH A BAD STATE, THAT IT WAS JUST CLOSED FOR GOOD. SO THE PROBLEMS WITH IT RIGHT
NOW ARE PRETTY MUCH THE VISUAL BLIGHT THAT IT PROVIDES,
SHOW, THEN THERE’S SOME HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES WITH
IT TOO. BECAUSE IT’S FALLING PART. INTO THE WATER. PIECES ARE CRUMBLING OFF.>>Daryl: COULD YOU HAVE A
PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE GOING ON THERE THAT SHOULDN’T BE
THERE? OR IS IT PRETTY SECURE? I DON’T THINK THERE’S BEEN A
THE LOT OF PROBABLE RUSH LIMBAUGH LIKE THAT. SEAL GOT IN THERE RECENTLY. MONK SEAL. GET IN THERE. THERE HASN’T BEEN A LOT OF
PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE JUMPELLING OVER THE FENCE.>>Daryl: WHAT IS THE POSITION
OF THE KAIMANA BEACH COALITION WHEN IT COMES TO
WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN THERE — FIRST AND FOREMOST,
MAKING SURE WHATEVER GOES IN THERE IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC
AND FREE. THAT’S BIG DEAL. THERE’S VERY FEW BEACHES LEFT
THAT LOCAL PEOPLE CAN ACCESS. THAT BEACH SITS AT THE BOTTOM
OF AHUPUAA THAT IS PROBABLY THE MOST DENSITY POPULATED ON
ON THE ISLAND. THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF
PEOPLE USE THAT BEACH. ONE OF THE FEW BEACHES YOU CAN
GET TO, PARK, GET IN THE WATER WITHOUT HAVING TO GO PAST
HOTELS OR RIGHTS OF WAYER OBLONG TO A PRIVATE CLUB. WE’RE VERY CONCERNED THAT ANY
OF THOSE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT HAVE
PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, SOMEONE WANTS SOMETHING IN
RETURN. USUALLY EWA OFFRAMPS
TURNSTYLE, TICKET BOOTH, MONEY CHANGES HANDS. THAT’S USUALLY THE END OF
PUBLIC OPEN FREE BEACH ACCESS.>>Daryl: DURING THE RUN UP TO
THE SHOW AND FOR MANY YEARS, PEOPLE WHO YOU REPRESENT WHO
FEEL STRONGLY THAT IT SHOULD EITHER BE KNOCKED DOWN OR JUST
MOVED AND JUST HAVE THE MEMORIAL STAND BY ITSELF AND
RESTART BEACH, RIGHT?>>YEAH. THE THINKING BEHIND THAT IF
YOU LOOK AROUND THIS ISLAND, NO PUBLIC/PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIPS ON A COUNTY BEACH PARK. THAT’S THE ONE THING THAT
CORPORATIONS AND BUSINESSES HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO GET THEIR
HANDS ON. WE KNOW THAT’S A TRY AND
TESTED MODEL. IF YOU WANT TO REPRESERVE OPEN
FREE SPACE AT THE SHORELINE, MOST VALUABLE SHORELINE CITY
OWNS. I MEAN, IT’S WORTH HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IF IT WERE TO BE DEVELOPED. SO WE THINK THAT THE BEACH
PARK IS THE WAY TO GO. BUT WE’RE VERY MINDFUL OF
PRESERVING HISTORY AND TRY TO ACCOMMODATE BOTH INTERESTS. FAVORED MOVING THE ARCHES
BACK. KEEPING AS A MEMORIAL. REAL ATTRACTION ARE THE
BLEACHERS SEAT 2500 PEOPLE EIS TALKS ABOUT PUTTING BEACH
IN THE POOL.>>Daryl: TALKED ABOUT THE
DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FLOATED, PARDON THE PUNA. WHAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF
THE BEACHES THERE.>>I MEAN, WE WERE TALKING
EARLIER, YOU MENTIONED THAT MAYBE ONE OF THE REASONS
KAIMANA BEACH, RIGHT NEXT TO IT, IS SO STABLE, IS BECAUSE
OF THAT EXISTING WALL CREATED BY THE NATATORIUM. BECOME SORT OF ALMOST A
NATURAL FEATURE IN NATURAL WAY. IT’S COMPLETELY MANMADE TO
BEGIN WITH. KAIMANA BEACH IS STABLE BY ITS
NATURE BEING RIGHT NEXT TO THE NATATORIUM. THE DIAMOND HEAD, WE REFER TO
AS THE DIAMOND HEAD WALL OF THE NATATORIUM STABILIZES
KAIMANA BEACH AND ANYBODY BEEN THERE KNOWS IT’S AN
EXTREMELY STABLE BEACH. DOESN’T CHANGE MUCH AT ALL. WE HAVE THAT TO ATTRIBUTE TO
THE EXISTING DIAMOND HEAD WALL. EVEN THE NATATORIUM AND
QUEEN’S BEACH, AS YOU GO THROUGH WAIKIKI, AS A WHOLE,
IT’S ENTIRELY MAN INFLUENCED IF NOT MANMADE. SO THIS IS YET ONE MORE
MANMADE STRUCTURE ALONG THE COAST IN WAIKIKI, BUT TO YOUR
POINTS ABOUT KAIMANA BEACH, YES, THE CURRENT
CONFIGURATION OF KAIMANA IS LARGELY DICTATED BY THE
NATATORIUM ITSELF.>>Daryl: IF YOU LOOK AT, WE
ACTUALLY HAD A PICTURE, SHOWS THIS, ON THE TOWN SIDE OF THAT
NATATORIUM, THERE IS REALLY NO BEACH AT ALL. IT’S JUST OPEN REEF FOR THE
MOST PART, RIGHT?>>THAT’S RIGHT. IN FRONT OF THE AQUARIUM HAS
REALLY NO BEACH WHATSOEVER. SHALLOW REEF. NOT GREAT RECREATIONAL
RESOURCE AS FAR AS SWIMMING AND BEACH GOING. UNLESS YOU GET IN THE SWIM
CHANNEL THAT’S THERE. BUT THAT’S A CLASSIC EXAMPLE
OF BUILD UP OF SAND ON THE UP DRIFT SIDE OF THE STRUCTURE
AND THE LOSS OF BEACH ON THE DOWN DRIFT.>>Daryl: LOOKING AT THAT
PICTURE RIGHT NOW. INTERESTING TO ME THAT YOU
LOOK AT PULLING THAT FEATURE OUT OF THE BEACH. DOES ANYBODY KNOW REALLY WHAT
WOULD HAPPEN?>>THERE ARE WAYS TO MODEL
THAT. IF YOU TALK TO ENOUGH
EXPERIMENTS, YOU’LL START TO GET A GENERAL CONSENSUS ON
WHAT COULD HAPPEN. I THINK THERE IS PRETTY
GENERAL AGREEMENT THAT WE DON’T WANT TO REMOVE THE
DIAMOND HEAD GROIN BECAUSE THAT WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE
IMPACT TO KAIMANA BEACH. ALMOST CERTAINLY. AND I THINK AT EIS AND ALL OF
THE STUDIES I’VE READ HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT. SO I’M PERSONALLY NOT THAT
CONCERNED ABOUT DESTABILIZING KAIMANA BEACH
WITH ANYTHING I’VE SEEN THUS FAR. BECAUSE IT DOES RETAIN THAT
DIAMOND HEAD END OF THE GROIN.>>Daryl: KIERSTEN FAULKNER
FROM THE HISTORIC HAWAI’I FOUNDATION. WHAT HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY
YOU FOLKS’ POSITION ON WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN WITH THE
NATATORIUM AND WHEN YOU HEAR WHAT THEY’RE SAYING ABOUT IT
BEING SORT OF UNNATURAL CONDITION, HAS THAT, WHAT
HAVE YOU FOLKS ARGUED SHOULD HAPPEN WHEN THAT NORM OVER THE
YEARS? NATATORIUM OVER THE YEARS?>>ALWAYS SAID IT SHOULD BE
PRESERVED. PART OF PRESERVATION IS FIRST
STABILIZING IT. ROBERT MENTIONED,
DETERIORATING CONDITION AND THE FACT THAT IT’S UNSAFE. CEREMONY, STABILIZING IT. PART OF THAT DIAMOND HEAD SEA
WALL AND HOLDING THE SAND IN PLACE. BEYOND THAT, THERE’S
OPPORTUNITIES TO WE CALL IT REHABILITATION, BRING IT BACK
INTO USEFUL LIFE WHILE RETAINING IT HISTORIC
CHARACTER AND THE DESIGN FEATURES. EXCITED ABOUT WITH THE NEW
ALTERNATIVE, KEEPS THAT HISTORIC CHARACTER, BUT
REALLY REENGINEERS THE SWIM BASIN PORTION WHAT IS UNDER
THE WATER SURFACE. SO THE WAY IT WORKS IS FIXED
SO THAT IT’S OCEAN FED AND POWERED BY THE WAVE. BUT THE LOOK AND THE FEEL AND
THE FEATURES RETAINED. SO I THINK THAT HYBRID
APPROACH IS REALLY POWERFUL AND ACTUALLY, A VERY ELEGANT
SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS THAT WE’VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT.>>Daryl: READ SOME COMMENTS
THAT ARE NOW COMING IN FROM OUR AUDIENCE. GENTLE, LOOK BACK AT THE
HISTORY. I SUPPORT IT. I GUESS RETAINING IT. IT IS AN ICONIC LANDMARK AND
THOSE WHO ARE AROUND TO ENJOY IT REMEMBER IT FONDLY. GREAT GRANDMOTHER DEDICATED
TO MIGRATE GRANDFATHER AFTER HE DIED. FAMILY AS WELL AS HISTORICAL
SIGNIFICANCE TO ME. WHEN YOU ADVOCATED FOR
CHANGING THIS FACILITY, WHAT KIND OF PUSH BACK DO YOU GET
FROM THE PEOPLE WHO JUST FEEL LIKE IT’S JUST TOO PRECIOUS TO
MESS WITH IN THAT WAY?>>WE, ACTUALLY, THE
NEWSPAPER PERIODICALLY RUNS THE POLL ON THIS QUESTION. I KNOW IT’S NOT SCIENTIFIC,
BUT THE MAJORITY AND FIRST PLACE POSITION IS TYPICALLY
THE COUNTY BEACH PARK OPTION. SO I DON’T, HAVEN’T FOUND
TREMENDOUS PUSH BACK EXCEPT FROM I WOULD SAY APPEAL, IT’S
CERTAINLY OLDER PEOPLE, MAYBE, HAVE TO SOME EXTENT,
BUT THE CURRENT GENERATION W DON’T SEE THAT AT ALL. THEY RECOGNIZE THAT TIMES
CHANGE AND THIS IS A MUCH MORE DENSITY POPULATED. YOU THINK ABOUT WHEN THE
NATATORIUM WAS BUILT, THERE WAS ONLY TWO HOTELS IN WAIKIKI. SO THERE WAS THIS WIDE
EXPANSE. YOU DIDN’T HAVE TO JUST TIE UP
THIS LAND. IT’S A BIG THING. SIZE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD. NOW, THAT THE HOTEL HAVE
HEDGED US ALL IN AND EVERYONE IS SCRAMBLING TO GET THEIR
LITTLE CORNER TO GET TO THE OCEAN. I THINK PEOPLE WORRY LESS
ABOUT USING THAT MUCH SPACE FOR THE MEMORIAL. YOU DON’T NEED, NO ONE ELSE IN
HONOLULU HAS THAT KIND OF SPACE.>>Daryl: FOR ALL OF YOU, WHEN
YOU CAME IN TO START WORKING AT THE CITY, AND INHERITED
THIS SITUATION, WHAT KIND OF IDEAS WERE BEING THROWN
ANDERSON WHAT KIND OF CONFLICTS DID YOU FIND
POLITICAL CONFLICTS, ONE QUESTION I WANT TO READ FROM
A VIEWER. WHETHER IT BE THE DECADE,
DECISION IS MADE ON FUTURE OF THE NATATORIUM. WE’VE BEEN ARGUING ABOUT THIS
30 PLUS YEARS. 40 YEARS.>>THAT’S TRUE. FORTUNATELY, THERE ARE A LOT
OF THINGS WE COULD LAUGH ABOUT ON THIS. BUT IT’S REALLY, IT IS SAD
THAT IT’S STILL IN THIS CONDITION. SO WHEN I TOOK ONE NICE THINGS
ABOUT MY ROLE IN THIS, IS THAT I CAN TRULY JUST REMAIN
OBJECTIVE. SO YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE
THINGS THAT JIM HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ON
PREFERENCES, SO FORTH, AND YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK HE GETS
IS TURN IT INTO A BEACH VERSUS, I SEE THAT. THAT’S PART OF ANALYSIS, BUT
THERE’S SO MUCH MORE TO IT THAN THAT. WHEN I INHERITED THIS, AS YOU
MENTIONED, IT WAS AT A POINT WHERE MANY ATTEMPTS HAD BEEN
MADE TO DO SOMETHING. THERE WERE MADE LOTS OF
PROGRESS TO COME CLOSE TO DEMOLISHING. I THINK IN THE FIFTIES. AND THERE WAS ANOTHER EFFORT
THAT WAS GOING TO RESTORE IT. IN THE 90s. EARLY 2,000’S.
FULLY RESTORED. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN. SO I GOT IT AND THE CURRENT
MAYOR — AND POLITICIANS TRUE TIME, SOME OF THIS WANTED TO
KEEP IT AWAY FROM THEM AND NOT TOUCH IT AT ALL. OTHERS SAID NO, I’M GOING TO
TRY TO TACKLE THIS. MAYOR CALDWELL DECIDED HE
THINKS SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. THAT’S MOST OF THE FEEDBACK
EVERYBODY, NO MATTER WHAT SIDE YOU’RE ON, PRETTY MUCH
SAYS, SOMETHING NEEDS TO DONE. THAT’S THE COMMON THEME
EVERYBODY SAYS. AND THEN WE DIVERGE FROM
THERE. I JUST LOOK AT WHAT’S THE BEST
FOR THE CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU. AND FOR THE PEOPLE OF OAHU. AND SO I DO IT OBJECTIVELY. THAT’S WHERE THE EIS HELPS. IN DOING THE ANALYSIS.>>Daryl: WE’RE GOING GO BACK. FIRST, WE GO GO OUT AND TALK
TO PEOPLE WOULD USED THE BEACH. GOT COUPLE OF INTERESTING
OPINIONS. LET’S LISTEN BEACH
VOLLEYBALL. WHAT DO YOU MEAN?>>JUST FILL IT IN WITH SAND
AND PUT UP A COUPLE OF NETS AND JUST HAVE BEACH VOLLEYBALL. GOT IT DOWN BY WALLS. IT’S A BIG EVENT NOW.>>PERSONALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO
SEE IT RESTORED. I REMEMBER GRANDFATHER WAS
CAPTAIN OF THE LIFEGUARDS HERE IN THE 40’S.
AND IT WAS EVEN BACK THEN, IT WAS TO KEEP IT UP, TO MAINTAIN
IT, IT WAS A BIG JOB BACK THEN. BUT NOW, IN PRESENT
CONDITION, LOOKING AT A BIG EXPENSE. I THINK. BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE
TO KEEP THE MAJORITY OF IT THAT’S HERE, THAT YOU SEE.>>Daryl: WE DID GET A CALLER
ASKING EXACTLY, WHY DON’T THEY CONVERT TO THE BEACH
VOLLEYBALL DUAL COURT. WHAT KIND OF IDEAS, OTHER THAN
THAT, HAVE BEEN EXPLORED OR FLOATED OVER THE YEARS?>>SOME OF THE ONES WE’VE
HEARD VOLLEYBALL COURT. I’VE HEARD DOLPHIN SHOWS. ABOUT HULA SHOWS. MENTIONED FLOATING PLATFORMS
FOR PERFORMANCES. LOTS OF JUST KIND OF
BRAINSTORMING AND CONCEPTS AN PEOPLE SAYING, WOULDN’T IT BE
GREAT IF. WHAT’S NICE, ENVIRONMENTAL
IMPACT STATEMENT REALLY IS MORE ABOUT WHAT IS FEASIBLE. WHAT IS TECHNICALLY
APPROPRIATE, MEETS ALL THE STANDARD AND CRITERIA. AND JUST SOMEONE SITTING
AROUND SAYING, GROW CORAL POLYPS THERE, THAT’S NOT
SOMETHING THAT MEETINGS ALL OF THOSE STANDARD AND
CRITERIA. SIDE THINK IT’S EXCITING AND
FUN WHEN PEOPLE START TO SAY, WHAT IF THIS, THAT, WHAT IS
POSSIBLE, WHAT MEETS OUR GOAL AS AS SOCIETY. WHAT CAN WE AFFORD? HONORS THE VETERANS. PROTECTS THE ENVIRONMENT? WHO WHAT PROVIDES PUBLIC
ACCESS? ALL NEEDS TO BE WEIGHED AND
BALANCED.>>Daryl: WHEN THESE HULA
SHOWS AND FLOATING SHOWS AND ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS
PROPOSED, USUALLY BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR REVENUE TO
MAINTAIN IT. BECAUSE ONCE YOU INVEST IN,
IT’S GOING TO HAVE TO BEEN MAINTAINED. AND THAT SOUNDS LIKE EXACTLY
WHAT YOU’VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT. SOMEONE WILL TURN IT INTO A
COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY THERE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN THE
FACILITY.>>THAT’S REALLY ALMOST
INEVITABLE. WHEN YOU REALIZE HOW BIG IT IS
AND HOW MUCH MONEY IT TAKE TO RUN, THE EXPENSE, JUST THE
ANNUAL EXPENSES, ALSO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, WHERE DOES THAT
MONEY COME FROM? THE MAYOR IN VERY FIRST PRESS
CONFERENCE MENTIONED, LOOKING FOR A PUBLIC/PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIP. THAT’S A CODE AND IT’S NOT A
VERY WELL DISGUISED CODE. WE THEY WHAT THAT MEANS. IT MEANS BRANDING IT. IT MEANS HAVING CORPORATE
SPONSORS AND THEN THEY WANT SOMETHING BACK. THAT’S SOMETHING THAT REALLY
PEOPLE SHOULD BE ON THEIR GUARD ABOUT. BECAUSE THERE ISN’T ANOTHER
STRETCH OF BEACH LEFT. THAT WE CAN ALL MOVE WHEN WE
WANT TO GO FOR YOU ARE OUR RECREATION IN HONOLULU. JUST REGULAR PEOPLE. WHO JUST WANT TO GET THE IN THE
OCEAN AFTER A HARD DAY’S WORK. WE ALL HAVE VERY CRAMPED
HOUSING. ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT LIVING
IN PARADISE IS WE SAY, WELL, WE CAN GO TO THE BEACH AT
LEAST. CAN’T DO THAT. WHAT’S THE POINT?>>Daryl: ANOTHER VIEWER
WEIGHS IN. RESTORE THE WAR MEMORIAL AND
KEEP THE OCEAN FRONT NATURAL. DON’T LET MONEY HUNGRY
DEVELOPERS GET THEIR HAPPENED ON IT. LET ME ASK, WHEN YOU HAVE A
STRUCTURE THAT’S STUCK OUT IN THE OCEAN, LIKE THIS, WHAT ARE
THE PRESSURES? HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO
MAINTAIN SOMETHING LIKE THAT? ARE WE DOOMED TO HAVE A
STRUCTURE THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE VERY EXPENSIVE TO
MAINTAIN?>>I GUESS IN A WOULD DEPEND
ON HOW IT’S CONSTRUCTED. ONE THING I CAN SAY IS IT WOULD
BE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD A NEW STRUCTURE LIKE WHAT HE
HAVE THERE NOW. THE REGULATORY WORLD THAT WE
LIVE IN WOULD REALLY NOT ALLOW A LOT OF THE STRUCTURE, THAT
WE SEE IN WAIKIKI NOW. WE USED TO DREDGE THE REEF IN
WAIKIKI TO MAKE SWIM AREAS, YOU’D BE THROWN IN JAIL IF YOU
DID THAT NOW. SO THERE IS THAT ELEMENT TO
THIS PROJECT WHERE IT WAS DONE IN A TIME WHEN YOU COULD DO
THOSE THINGS AND WOULD BE REALLY DIFFICULT IF NOT
IMPOSSIBLE TO CREATE A NEW ONE, NOT TO SAY YOU COULDN’T
REPLACE IT, BUT TO CREATE A WHOLE BRAND NEW ONE WOULD BE
REALLY IMPOSSIBLE. BUT AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION
AND THE MAINTENANCE, DEPENDING ON HOW IT’S
CONSTRUCTED, THERE ARE MUCH BETTER BUILDING TECHNIQUES
THAN THERE WERE IN 1927, OF COURSE. WE WOULD EXPECT THIS TO LAST
A LOT LONGERRER I’M NOT AN ENGINEER, I CAN’T SPEAK TO HOW
MUCH MAINTENANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED. IF IT’S TYPICALLY CONCRETE
AND MARINE GRADE CONSTRUCTION, THERE WOULD BE
PROBABLY SOME MAINTENANCE OCCASIONALLY. DEPENDING ON HOW IT’S
DESIGNED, SHOULD WITHSTAND FAIRLY WELL. WHAT I WILL SAY, HOWEVER, OUR
COASTLINE IS SUBJECT TO A NUMBER OF NATURAL HAZARDS. INCLUDING TSUNAMIS AND
HURRICANES AND THE INEVITABLE SEA LEVEL RISE, WHICH IS
CREEPING ON US. SO THOSE ARE ALL FACTORS THAT
NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT AN DESIGNED FOR. NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HOLD
BACK A TSUNAMI, BUT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO DESIN IT SO THERE
MIGHT BE GIVE AWAY SECTIONS PREVENT COMPLETE FAILURE. ONE POTENTIAL CATASTROPHIC
EVENT COULD DESTROY THE WHOLE THING. THAT’S TRUE THROUGHOUT
WAIKIKI.>>Daryl: JUST IN GENERAL
TERMS, I KNOW SEA GRANT DOESN’T WANT TO TAKE A
PARTICULAR POSITION ON THE NATATORIUM, GENERALLY
SPEAKING, WOULD YOU ADVISE PEOPLE TO BUILD STRUCTURES ON
THE SHORELINE ANY MORE?>>THAT’S A GREAT QUESTION. I DO A LOT OF WORK IN WAIKIKI. AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE
AMBITIOUS PLANS TO REENVISION WAIKIKI IN DIFFERENT PARTS. AND THAT’S PRIMARILY FOCUSED
ON THE BEACH. SO WE’RE VERY FOCUSED ON BEING
ABE TO MAINTAIN, PRESERVE AND IN SOME CASE, RESTORE BEACHES
IN WAIKIKI. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE
POINT THAT WAIKIKI IS DIFFERENT THAN OTHER PLACES
FOR A WHOLE BUNCH OF REASONS. IT’S AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT,
URBAN BEACH, AND SO I THINK IT WILL ALLOWS A LITTLE BIT MORE
EXAMPLE FLEXIBILITY ON WHAT’S POSSIBLE. FOR EXAMPLE, WE PROBABLY
WOULD NEVER THINK OF BUILDING GROINS AND SEA WALLS AT SUNSET
BEACH ON THE NORTH SHORE. IT’S A DYNAMIC NATURAL BEACH,
SO YOU CAN CONTRAST NORTH SHORE TO WAIKIKI AS KIND OF THE
TWO END POINTS EXTREMES. SO I THINK IN THAT CONTEXT, IT
DOES ALLOW A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVITY IN WHAT’S POSSIBLE
IN A PLACE LIKE WAIKIKI.>>Daryl: MR. KRONING, CALL
FOR YOU. WHO WAS ON THE COMMITTEE TO
DRAFT PLANS FOR THE PERMITTED DECK, WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATION
TO COME UP THIS WITH PLAN?>>IT’S A GREAT QUESTION. ACTUALLY, I WAS WANTING TO
JUMP IN A COUPLE OF TIMES.>>Daryl: READING MY QUESTION. YOU GUYS CAN ALL JUMP IN ANY
TIME YOU WANT.>>WE’RE ALREADY TALKING
ABOUT SOME OF THE ALTERNATIVES AND GIVEN SOMEN
PES ON THAT. SO IF I COULD AT FIRST, LET ME
COVER FIRST OF ALL, THE EIS HAS A BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE
DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVES. ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
STATEMENT.>>Daryl: LET ME ROLL YOU BACK
A LITTLE BIT. FRANKLY, MINE, I READ A LOT OF
EIS’S OVER THE YEARS AND A LOT OF TIMES, THEY ARE SORT OF
POINTED TOWARDS I WON’T SAY POINTED TOWARDS A CONCLUSION,
BUT TOWARDS A PARTICULAR PROJECT. WAS THIS EIS DESIGNED FROM THE
FRONT END TO LEAD TO THE RESTORATION OF THE
NATATORIUM?>>RIGHT. ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU SUBMIT
YOUR EIS, YOU HAVE GO IN WITH A PROPOSED, PREFERRED
ALTERNATIVE. SO THAT’S BEEN DONE. AND THE PREFERRED
ALTERNATIVE, WE NOW HAVE IS SOMETHING WE CALL A PERIMETER
DECK. IF I COULD FIRST TALK ABOUT A
FEW THINGS, CONCERN ABOUT THE PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, PUBLIC
PARTNERSHIP, I THINK THE MAYOR DID MENTION THAT IN ONE
OF HIS MEETINGS. IT’S BEEN TAKEN AS JIM HAS
SAID, TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS THAT’S GOING TO BE REVENUE
GENERATING TYPE OF EVENT. IN FACT, THAT’S NOT WHAT HE
REALLY MEANT. WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT IS
HOPING, BECAUSE THERE’S BEEN SOME NONPROFITS,
ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE SAID THEY’RE MORE THAN WILLING TO
SUPPORT THROUGH FUNDING IT WITHOUT ANY STRINGS ATTACHED,
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEY WANT. SO IF THE ALTERNATIVE THAT WE
SELECT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY SUPPORT, I THINK THERE’S SOME
NONPROFITS OUT THERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO HELP FUND IT. THAT’S KIND OF WHAT HE’S
TALKING ABOUT. PRIVATE SUPPORT IN THAT WAY. WHERE I WAS LEADING TO ON THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, AND ANALYSIS
THAT’S BEEN DONE SO FAR, IT PROVIDES COSTS AND A LOT OF
THE INFORMATION ABOUT HOW MUCH THIS IS GOING TO COST.>>Daryl: HOW MUCH IS IT GOING
TO COST?>>RIGHT NOW, IT’S THREE, FOUR
ALTERNATIVES.>>ONE OF THEM DO NOTHING. BASICALLY, THIS PERIMETER
DECK OPTION WE’RE TALKING ABOUT. TURN IT INTO A BEACH OPTION. RESTORE IT FULLY TO WHERE IT
EVEN MEETS THE POOL RULES OPTIONS. THAT BEING THE MOST EXPENSIVE
BECAUSE YOU’VE GOT ALL THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS THAT HAVE
TO SUPPORT THAT. FULL RECONSTRUCTION. THE NEXT MOST EXPENSIVE IS
ACTUALLY THE BEACH. SOME OF THINGS THAT JIM HASN’T
COVERED IS THERE ARE MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS ON
THE BEACH ALSO. ONE OF THEM BEING YOU HAVE TO
BRING OF SAND EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND REPLENISH THE
BEACH. WHICH COSTS MONEY AND IT’S
VERY DIFFICULT TO DO. THERE’S OTHER REQUIREMENTS. CAPITAL COST SIMILAR, CAPITAL
COSTS IS A LITTLE MORE, TURN IT INTO A BEACH.>>Daryl: I THINK THAT WAS A
LITTLE RIGGED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. WE READ THE NUMBERS. WE THINK THERE WAS FUNDING
WENT INTO THAT MUCH.>>THAT’S WHY YOU HAVE THE
ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT YOU CAN MAKE
COMMENTS WITH. I’M COMFORTABLE WITH THE
ANALYSIS AND PERIMETER DECK COMES IN LITTLE BIT LESS
BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE MECHANICAL SYSTEMS. THE BEACH, WE HAVE TO BUILD
OTHER STRUCTURES BECAUSE IF WE TAKE AWAY THE BLEACHERS, WE
HAVE TO FIND THE PLACE AND BUILD A HAVE STRUCTURE FOR THE
OCEAN SAFETY FOLKS IN THERE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE COST
AND THE MAINTENANCE CONCERNS AND THEN THE PRIVATE
PARTNERSHIP, IT’S BEST TO GO LOOK AT THE EIS AND SEE ALL THE
DATA. ORIGINALLY, I WOULD PREFER
ALTERNATIVE WHEN WE FIRST WENT OUT WITH WHAT WE CALL THE
EIS PREPARATORY NOTICE, WE HAD OUR PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE
WAS THE BEACH. BECAUSE THE PERIMETER DECK
WAS NOT ON OPTION. EIS HAYES LENGTHY PROCESS OF
CHECKING WITH ALL KINDS OF ORGANIZATIONS AND DIFFERENT
AGENCIES TO GET EXPERTISE INFORMATION THROUGH,
THROUGHOUT. AND IF WE WENT THROUGH WHAT WE
CALL 6E CONSULTATION, HISTORIC PRESERVATION TYPE
CONSULTATION. BASICALLY SAID WE REALLY
SHOULD LOOK FOR AN INTERIM. MEDIUM PRESERVATION OPTION. THE REASON IT WASN’T IN THERE
TO BEGIN WITH, IS BECAUSE WHEN THE PROJECT WAS STOPPED IN
2000, IT WAS BASICALLY STOPPED BECAUSE IT WAS
DESIGNATED A POOL, AND WE COULDN’T MEET THE POOL.>>Daryl: WHAT ARE WE TALKING
ABOUT HERE? 30 UNTIL? 50 MILLION? 100 MILLION?>>WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
25 MILLION FOR THE PERIMETER DECK. UP TO 45ISH MILLION FOR THE
FULL POOL.>>Daryl: WHAT WAS THE BEACH
ALTERNATIVE?>>BEACH ALTERNATIVE IS ABOUT
28. JIM, YOU’RE SAYING THAT YOU
FEEL LIKE THAT’S, LET HAD HE GIVE YOU COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. JUMPED OUT TO US. FIRST OF ALL, 90 YEARS OF SILT
IN THAT POOL. COMPLETELY ANAEROBIC. HASN’T BEEN ANY CURRENT IN
THERE. A LOT OF BAD STUFF ON THE
BOTTOM, IF YOU WILL. THE BEACH PROPOSAL HAS A
MITIGATION EXPENSE FOR THAT. THERE’S A WAY THEY’RE GOING TO
COVER THAT AND PUT SAND OVER IT. THE POOL THEY DON’T TO DO
THAT. THEY LEAVE THAT OUT. NOW, THE WAY THEY’RE GOING TO
BUILD THE POOL.>>Daryl: YOU’RE SAYING IT
WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE. YOU’RE SAYING MORE EXPENSIVE
TO DO THIS RESTORATION PROJECT THAN THE EIS IS
SAYING?>>YES. I MEAN, AND THE OTHER THING
THEY’RE GOING TO DO, DON’T HAVE MITIGATION FOR, THEY’RE
GOING TO DRIVE TIMES INTO THIS MUCK. TO BUILD THIS DECK. PERIMETER DECK. THERE’S NO MITIGATION FOR
THAT. JUST GOING TO SPREAD OUT INTO
WAIKIKI. GOING TO DISTURB ALL OF THAT
SILT. OTHER EXAMPLE IS THEY SAY THE
POOL ONLY REQUIRES FOUR LIFEGUARDS. THAT’S WHERE THEY GET THE
MAINTENANCE EXPENSE. BEACH WILL REQUIRE FIVE. KAIMANA BEACH NEXTDOOR HAS
ONE LIFEGUARD STATION. THIS BEACH ISN’T GOING TO BE
ANY BIGGER THAN KAI MANUWAI A WE DON’T SEE FIVE LIFEGUARD
STATIONS IN 200 STRETCH OF BEACH.>>Daryl: THE CITY NOW, AS I
UNDERSTAND IT, PICKED ITS FAVORITE, RIGHT? OF ALL OF THOSE ALTERNATIVES?>>IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT. THAT’S WHY I SAY, FOR MY JOB,
REMAIN OBJECTIVE. FOR ME, IT’S NOT A MATTER OF
FAVORITE OR NOT. IT’S NOT EMOTIONAL. WHAT I THINK IS THE
APPROPRIATE SELECTION OUT OF ALL THE ALTERNATIVES.>>Daryl: DESCRIBE HOW THIS
ALTERNATIVE WOULD WORK AND WHY YOU THINK IT WILL WORK AND
SURVIVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THAT ARE
GOING TO THREATEN, ALL THE SEAWARD PRESSURES AND STUFF.>>WHY WOULD IT WORK? AS A STRUCTURE. IN FACT, WE HAVE A CUP OF
SCHEMATICS THAT WE CAN PUT UP. IF THAT WILL HELP YOU EXPLAIN
IT.>>RIGHT. WELL, I THINK THE —
>>Daryl: PICTURE UP HERE? CURRENT?>>CURRENT STATUS.>>Daryl: WHAT ARE WE SEEING
THERE?>>THAT IS THE EWA FACING SIDE
OF THE NATATORIUM RIGHT NOW.>>Daryl: IF WE’RE SITTING ON
THE BEACH AND LOOKING OUT AT THE OCEAN?>>YEAH. IF YOU’RE SITTING
IN THE STANDS, IT’S ON THE RIGHT SIDE LOOKING OUT INTO
THE OCEAN. MAIN PROBLEM WITH THE CURRENT
DESIGN OF THE NATATORIUM IS THAT THE, WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT
PHOTO IS A PIPE THAT GOES THROUGH YOU THAT ROCK
FORMATION. THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE
WATER FLOW, NATURAL WATER FLOW IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN. AND IT WASN’T SUFFICIENT
ENOUGH. SO IT DIDN’T REALLY GET THE
WATER TO FLOW WELL ENOUGH. THEN THE OTHER PROBLEMS ARE
ACTUAL MATERIAL, CONCRETE THAT THEY USED WAS NOT OF THE
STANDARD THAT WE USE TODAY. AND THE REBAR THAT THEY USED
IS IRON BASED WHICH WILL — NOW, WE COMMONLY USED
STAINLESS STEEL REBAR. AS FAR AS ENGINEERING
ADVENTURE, WE THINK THE CURRENT MATERIALS THAT HAVE
TODAY AND ABILITY AND THE WORK THAT WE KNOW HOW TO DO AND
WATERS AND CONSTRUCTION TECHNIQUES TODAY, WILL HAVE A
MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVING IN THE WATER.>>Daryl: WE CAN SHOW YOU THE
SECOND DRAWING IS HOW THE IT WOULD BE SET UP TO ALLOW
WATER. IF YOU WOULDN’T MIND
DESCRIBING WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE.>>MAIN REASON WE CAME UP WITH
THIS ALTERNATIVE WAS, AGAIN, BECAUSE SHIP D WAS NOT HAPPY
WHEN WE ONLY HAD TWO ALTERNATIVES. HISTORIC PRESERVATION
DIVISION. WANTED, WE ONLY HAD TURN IT
INTO A POOL. WHICH HAVE VERY EXPENSIVE AND
LOTS OF MAINTENANCE WHY MECHANICAL SYSTEMS, OR THE
BEACH. THEY SAID, WE WANT YOU TO LOOK
AT OPTIONS THAT AT LEAST PRESERVE A LITTLE MORE OF THE
STRUCTURE. AND WE ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH
TWO ITERATIONS. WESTON THROUGH ONE, BASICALLY
TOOK THE BEACH, BUT KEPT THE BLEACHERS. EVERYBODY ASKED ABOUT THAT,
SAID NO WAY. THAT’S NOT AN OPTION. LOOKED INTO IT MORE. CAME WAKE-UP THIS OPTION. WHICH WAS
WE CAME UP WITH OPTION. AT FIRST DIDN’T THINK MIGHT
WORK. BECAUSE OF THE POOL RULES. WE HAVE TO, POOL RULES ARE A
LITTLE VAGUE. DEFINES SWIMMING POOL AS A
MANMADE STRUCTURE THAT CONTAINS A ARTIFICIAL BODY OF
WATER. ARTIFICIAL BODY OF WATER
THAT’S ALL KIND OF SUBJECTIVE.>>Daryl: WHAT’S ARTIFICIAL?>>WE DIDN’T KNOW WHETHER
SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD EVEN BE ACCEPTED BY DOH AS A
POOL. WE CAME UP WITH THIS. THIS ALLOWS, WHAT YOU SEE HERE
IS THE WALL TO YOU DOESN’T COME ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THAT
ROCK FORMATION AND IT ALLOWS WATER TO FLOW THROUGH SO IT
WILL CIRCULATE MUCH ABOUT EIGHTER. WHAT YOU DON’T SEE HERE IS THE
MAKAI WALL WHICH WILL BE ALL BASICALLY A GRATE ALLOWING
WATER TO FLOW IN AND OUT, IN AND OUT. WHEN WE PRESENTED THIS TO DOH,
THEY SAID, YES, THIS WOULD NOT BE CLASSIFIED AS A POOL. WHICH THEN SAVES A LOT OF
MONEY AND MAKES IT A MUCH MORE EASY PROJECT FOR TO US
MAINTAIN. LET ME ASK YOU, THIS
IS CHANGING IT, BUT IS IT CHANGING IT TOO MUCH FOR YOU
FOLKS?>>THIS WAS A BIG DISCUSSION
FOR ALL OF US. KIND OF EXTREMES OF TEAR IT
ALL DOWN TO KEEP IT EXACTLY AS IT WAS DESIGNED. IN BETWEEN IS BASICALLY THIS
SOLUTION. IT’S A COMPROMISE. AND I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE
WHO THINK IT’S KIND OF GONE TOO FAR THE OTHER WAY. I’M NOT AMONG THEM. I THINK IT REALLY DOES SAVE
THAT CHARACTER AND THAT FEEL AND THAT ASSOCIATION, THAT WE
ALL ASSOCIATE WITH THE NATATORIUM WHILE STILL
ADDRESSING THESE ISSUES OF WATER QUALITY, WATER SAFETY,
SECURITY, AND BUILD, BEING ABLE TO BUILD IT AND MANAGE
IT. SO THERE HAVE BEEN SOME PEOPLE
WHO ARE CONCERNED, BUT OVERALL, I THINK IT REALLY HAS
ADDRESSED ALL OF THE PRESERVATION ISSUES THAT WE
BROUGHT UP.>>Daryl: I DON’T KNOW IF YOU
HAD A CHANCE TO EVALUATE THIS SCIENTIFICALLY, DOES IT
SATISFY YOU AS A PERSON CONCERNED ABOUT THE
SHORELINE, THAT IT IS A GOOD COMPROMISE?>>WELL, I THIS THAT I WE’RE
COMPROMISES IS A REALLY GOOD, THIS IS APPROPRIATE USE OF
THAT. AND AS I READ THROUGH THE EIS,
I SAW REPEATED MENTION OF PROS AND CONS TO THE DIFFERENT
DESIGNS.>>AND I THINK THAT’S
SOMETHING WE ALL HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND. THAT IS IT PERFECT, MAYBE NOT. BUT CERTAINLY, THERE’S
BENEFIT AND DRAW BACKS TO EVERY APPROACH THAT YOU MIGHT
TAKE. AS FAR AS THE BEACH GOES,ER
FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, THE PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE, I
DON’T FEEL WILL HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON KAIMANA
BEACH, IF THAT’S THE ULTIMATE CONCERN. I THINK IT WILL REMAIN AS IS. I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF CONCERNS
ABOUT SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL DETAILS WITH THE
GRATE, WHAT DOES THAT GRATE LOOK LIKE, HOW DOES IT WORK. RELATIVELY EASY QUESTIONS AS
FAR AS TALKING WITH ENGINEERS AND FIGURING OUT WHAT DOES
THAT REALLY MEAN. BACKING UP FROM 10,000-FOOT
LEVEL, HOW WILL THIS IMPACT THE BEACH, I DON’T THINK IT
WILL HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE BEACH. THERE ARE SOME OTHER
CONCERNS. WATER QUALITY IS ONE OF THOSE. I DO SHARE THE CONCERN JIM HAS
ABOUT THE SILT ON THE BOTTOM. I THINK NEED TO LOOK AT THAT
CLOSER. BUT AGAIN, THOSE ARE NOT DEAL
KILLERS NECESSARILY. JUST THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT
A LITTLE MORE CAREFULLY.>>Daryl: WHAT ARE YOU GUYS
CONCERNED WITH THIS DESIGN?>>WELL, IF YOU’RE JUST
FOCUSING ON THE POOL DESIGN ITSELF, WE DO SEE SOME
CONCERNS. THERE WAS MANY YEARS AGO,
PEOPLE FORGET THIS, LITTLE BOY ON A SCHOOL TRIP TO THE
NATATORIUM WHEN WAS STILL OPEN, DROWNED THERE. AND THEY MISSED HIM. THEY DIDN’T SEE HIM BECAUSE IT
WAS SO MURKY. AND THEY GOT BACK TO THE
SCHOOL AND DISCOVERED THAT HE WAS MISSING. THAT WAS WHY THE POOL RULES
KICKED IN. ANY TIME YOU HAVE A PUBLIC
POOL, IT’S CALM. YOU ATTRACT WEAKEST SWIMMERS. THOSE OF WHITE HOUSE WANT TO
GO OUT TO THE SURF, NO PROBLEM. GO NEXTDOOR. YOU GET A LOT OF WEAK SWIMMERS
AND VISITORS WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE WATER. YOU HAVE THIS UNTESTED
ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD AS FAR AS WE KNOW THIS GRID OR MESH
SYSTEM. IT HAS TO BE SMALL ENOUGH SO
THAT LITTLE KIDS HANDS DON’T GET STUCK IN IT. BIG ENOUGH SO THAT ALGAE AND
BARNACLES AND LIMU AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS DON’T GROW ON
IT. THOSE PIPES THAT WE WERE
LOOKING AT, BIG OLD PIPES THAT WENT THROUGH THE WALL INTO THE
POOL AND DRAINED IT, THE REASON THAT POOL SHUTDOWN IS
THEY FILLED UP WITH MARINE ORGANISMS. WE’RE NOT CLEAR THAT YOU’RE
EVER GOING TO BE ABLE TO BUILD THESE MESH STRUCTURES AND
THEN WHAT IS THE REAL MAINTENANCE COST OF KEEPING
THOSE THINGS CLEAN IN THE OCEAN, MAKING SURE THE PUKAS
REMAIN OPEN FOR THE FLOW THAT YOU NEED TO HAVE TO AVOID THE
BUILD UP OF BACTERIA? AGAIN, WHY DON’T GO THROUGH
ALL OF THIS TROUBLE WHO HAVE THE SOLUTION AROUND THIS
ISLAND OF HOW TO USE OUR SHORELINE.>>Daryl: SO ALONG IT’S LINES
OF WHAT JIM IS SAYING, SUPPORTER OF PRESERVATION,
BUT SAYS, THERE NEEDS TO BE NEVER TO MAKE SURE SHARKS
DON’T GET INTO SWIMMING AREA. HAPPENED IN THE PAST. PUBLIC SAFETY ASPECTS THAT
JIM IS RAISING, HOW DOES THIS PLAN ADDRESS THAT? I FIND IT INTERESTING THOUGHT
ABOUT WHEN YOU CREATE ATTRACTIVE NUISANCE, WHERE IT
LOOKS REALLY NICE, AND SAFE, BUT MAYBE THERE’S CURRENTS
AND STUFF UNDERTHERE, ARE YOU SURE IT’S GOING TO BE SAFE FOR
THE KIDS AND THE TOURISTS AND SO ON WHO WANT TO GO THERE?>>RIGHT. DEFINITELY GOING TO DESIGN IT
FOR THAT. AS FAR AS SHARKS, THE MESH
THAT WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS ACTUALLY A SERIES OF BARS. THEY’LL GO UP AND DOWN. THERE’S NOT GOING TO BE A GRID
SYSTEM THAT CAN CATCH ANYTHING. IT WILL BE BARS AND SPACE THAT
THE RIGHT DISTANCE THAT NONE OF THESE ANIMALS CAN FIT IN
THERE.>>Daryl: NOT A BIG ENOUGH ONE
DO ANY DAMAGE?>>RIGHT. I’M SURE JELLY FISH WILL BE
ABLE TO SQUEEZE THROUGH. BUT THERE’S JELLY FISH
EVERYWHERE. SAFETY, OF COURSE, THE
LIFEGUARDS WILL BE THERE AND IF IT GETS TO ANY POINT WHERE
IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE DANGEROUS, FOR SOME REASON,
TURBID EVENT, WE CAN CLOSE THE POOL. WHEN IT’S TOO DANGEROUS,
WE’LL DO THAT. PROBABILITY OF THAT
HAPPENING, BASED ON THE ANALYSES WE’VE DONE IN THE
AREA AND HOW OFTEN THE WAVES ARE ROUGH AND SO FORTH IS
INFREQUENT AND SO THE POOL WILL BE OPEN QUITE OFTEN. BUT RIGHT, I MEAN, THERE’S NO
EXPECTATION THAT THIS POOL IS GOING BE THE SAME TYPE OF POOL
AT ONE OF OUR PARKS. CLEAR AND IT’S STILL OCEAN. THAT’S WHY IT’S AN OCEAN FLOW. IS PEOPLE USE IT, THAT’S WHAT
THEY HAVE TO EXPECT. ?
WILL YOU FEEL THE CURRENT? WILL IT BE MORE LIKE BEING IN
THE OCEAN THAN BEING NAY POOL? OR MORE LIKE POOL IN THE
OCEAN?>>MORE LIKE BEING IN THE
OCEAN. YOU’LL STILL FEEL SOME
CHOPPINESS AND CURRENT HERE AND THERE.>>Daryl: WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
THE CLIMATE CHANGE AND ESPECIALLY SEA LEVEL RISE,
HOW MUCH SEA LEVEL RISE WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY SHOULD WORK
INTO THIS DESIGN?>>WELL, I’M HAPPY TO SAY THAT
THE REPORT, EIS, READILY ACKNOWLEDGES SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THEY REFER TO THE RECENT
SEA LEVEL RISE RISK AND VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT
THAT THE STATE OF HAWAI’I COMPLETED. SO THAT’S WRITTEN RIGHT INTO
THE EIS. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
IT DEPENDS ON YOUR TIME FRAME AND THE STATE IS NOW STARTING
TO ADOPT BENCHMARKS FOR SEA LEVEL RISE. AND THE MAGIC NUMBER THAT IS
STARTING TO COALESCING AROUND IS ABOUT 3.2 FEET. AND THE MAGIC QUESTION OF
THAT, OF COURSE, IS WHEN. AND THAT’S WHERE IT GETS A
LITTLE FUZZY. THE RECOMMENDATIONS COMING
OUT OF THE STATE OF HAWAI?I NOW ARE WE EXPECT AT LEAST
3 FEET BY THE END OF THE CENTURY, BUT SHOULD BE
PLANNING FOR NOW BECAUSE VERY LIKELY, IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN
MUCH SOONER THAN THE END OF CENTURY.>>Daryl: I KNOW YOU SAID IT. HOW MUCH DOES THE EIS
ENVISION?>>THEY DON’T NECESSARILY
PICK BENCHMARK. EIS MENTIONS THAT SEA LEVEL
RISE WILL BE CONSIDERED IN THE FINAL DESIGN. WE’RE NOT AT A PLACE YET WHERE
THERE ARE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU BUILD TO A CERTAIN
LEVEL. OR DESIGN FOR A CERTAIN SEA
LEVEL HEIGHT. BUT THE GUIDANCE COMING OUT IS
ABOUT 3 FEET, 3.2 FEET IS A MINIMUM.>>CITY ACCEPTED THAT ALL
DESIGNINGS WE DO NOW. EVERY PROJECT THAT WE’RE
DOING ANYWHERE, DIRECTOR OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, I’VE
GOT ABOUT 600 OF THEM I’M DOING, THEY ALL HAVE TO TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION SEA LEVEL RISE NOW. WE’RE USING THAT 3.2. WHEN WE DESIGN THIS, THAT WILL
BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.>>Daryl: SORT OF A THEME
DEVELOPING. PEOPLE ARE WONDERING YOU WHO
ARE YOU GOING TO MAINTAIN THIS THING? I’VE GOT LIKE FOUR QUESTIONS. HERE’S ONE INDICATIVE. MAUI RE DENT BELIEFS
NATATORIUM IS ICONIC RARE AND UNIQUE SHOULD BE RESTORED. BUT THEY SHOULD LOOK INTO
COMMERCIAL WAY TO MAKE MONEY TO FIX IT AND NOT MAKE IT A
BURDEN TO TAXPAYORS. ANOTHER CALLER SAYS, WOULD IS
RESPONSIBLE FOR US GETTING TO THIS PLACE? THEY SHOULD BE HELD
RESPONSIBLE. COULD RAISE MONEY THROUGH A
GOFUNDME OR PRIVATE FOUNDATION. SO REALLY, HERE’S ANOTHER
PROPOSAL. WE’RE GETING A LOT OF CALLS
ACTUALLY. BUILD OLYMPIC SIZE POOL ON THE
MAUKA SIDE OF THE ARCADE AND TURN THE EXISTING POOL IN A
BEACH. START FROM SCRATCH. LET’S TALK ABOUT THAT. REALISTICALLY, THE
MAINTENANCE, CAN WE AFFORD TO MAINTAIN THIS THING AND
WITHOUT SOME SORT OF REVENUE STREAM?>>WELL, I GUESS
THE — CHEAPEST MAINTENANCE IS TO DO NOTHING. BUT AS MOST PEOPLE AGREE, WE
HAVE TO DO SOMETHING. WHATEVER WE DO, IS GOING TO
REQUIRE MAINTENANCE. ALL OPTIONS REQUIRE
MAINTENANCE. IT’S A PIECE OF PROPERTY. CITY & COUNTY OF HONOLULU HAS
TO MAINTAIN. AND WHETHER IT’S MAINTAINING
PERIMETER DECK, WHETHER IT’S MAINTAINING A COMPLETE POOL,
WHETHER IT’S MAINTAINING A BEACH, THEY ALL HAVE COSTS. THEY ALL HAVE REQUIREMENTS. IT’S PART OF PARKS’
RESPONSIBILITY OR I THINK, IF THIS ENDS UP BEING A PERIMETER
DECK OR BEACH, IT BECOMES OCEAN SAFETY’S
RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN.>>Daryl: DOES THE HISTORIC
FOUNDATION, YOU HAVE MONEY TO HELP AN ORGANIZATION LIKE THE
CITY MAINTAIN ICONIC SITE? IS THERE REALLY REVENUE
STREAMS OUT THERE OTHER THAN COMMERCIAL?>>ONE OF THE INTERESTING
THINGS ABOUT HAVING A SOLID PROPOSAL IS WE’RE GOING TO
FIND OUT. AND I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN
MANY FUNDERS AND PHILANTHROPISTS OVER THE
YEARS, ONCE I COMMIT TO A COURSE OF ACTION,
PHILANTHROPY WILL BE INTERESTED. CERTAINLY, THERE IS MORE
INTEREST IN FUNDRAISING TO RESTORE WAR MEMORIAL FUNDS
RAISING TO DESTROY ONE. PUBLIC/PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP
IDEA COULD BE AS EXTREME AS THE COMMERCIALIZATION THAT
JIM IS CONCERNED ABOUT BUT COULD ALSO BE PHILANTHROPIC
WAY TO SUPPORT PLACES THAT MATTER. I THINK WHEN WE TALK ABOUT
WHAT ARE THE VALUES THAT WE ARE TRYING TO ASPIRE TO, IT’S
NOT JUST ABOUT THE COST. WHO ARE WE AS A COMMUNITY. WHO ARE WE AS A PEOPLE AND WHAT
DOES THAT LOOK LIKE. I’M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHAT
HAPPENS NEXT. I THINK UNTIL THERE’S A
COMMITTED COURSE OF ACTION, THERE’S NOTHING TO CONTRIBUTE
TO. SO YOU KNOW, RESTORING AND
TAKING CARE OF A WAR MEMORIAL, I THINK WILL ATTRACT A GREAT
DEAL OF ATTENTION FROM ACROSS THE WORLD.>>Daryl: WITH WE TALK ABOUT,
I THINK FOLKS IN YOUR COALITION ARE SWIMMERS. GO REGULARLY AND SWIM THE
SHORELINE. THEY HAVE TO GO OUT PAST
NATATORIUM TO DO THAT MOST OF THE TIME. COULDN’T IT POSSIBLY BE ASSET
TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS THAT THERE’S THIS PLACE YOU COULD
DO LAPS IN THE OCEAN? THINKING POSITIVE ABOUT IT.>>I’M A FAIR-MINDED PERSON. I CAN SEE POSITIVE IN
EVERYTHING. WHAT WE’RE TRYING TO DO IS
LOOK NOT JUST AT THE IMMEDIATE, BUT LOOKING FAR
INTO THE FUTURE.>>Daryl: WHICH IS WHERE WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT?>>I TAUGHT THREE CHILDREN TO
SWIM. THREE KIDS, I TAUGHT TO SWIM
THERE. AND MY HOPE IS THAT THEIR KIDS
AND THEIR GRANDKIDS CAN HAVE THAT SAME EXPERIENCE. I DON’T SEE THE SOLUTIONS, ON
THE OTHER SOLUTIONS PRODUCING THAT IN THE END BECAUSE OF
THIS RISK OF COMMERCIALIZATION.>>Daryl: YOU’RE TALKING SWIM
AT THE BEACH, NOT NATATORIUM.>>AT THE BEACH, NOT AT THE
NATATORIUM. RIGHT. SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR ABOUT
THAT. THE SWIMMERS HAVE A
GREAT EXPERIENCE NOW. CAN YOU TELL THEM IT’S GOING
TO BE BETTER? WE ALL HAVE THIS EXPERIENCE
WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY. WE’RE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER. I LIKE THE FIRST MODEL BETTER. IT WORKED BETTER. SO THAT’S THE FEAR THAT PEOPLE
HAVE. WE’RE GOING TO — WHAT SHE’S
TALKING ABOUT IS, I WOULD CHALLENGE THEM ALL TO SAY
THAT, TO SAY, LOOK, SHOW ME A $30 MILLION PROJECT THAT WAS
FUNDED BY JUST GOODWILL AND PHILANTHROPISTS.>>SURE. HAWAI’I THEATER. PACIFIC AVIATION MUSEUM. BISHOP MUSEUM.>>ARE THERE SHOWS EVERY NIGHT
AT THE HAWAI’I THEATER? THAT’S MY POINT. IT ISN’T LIKE IT JUST GETS TO
SIT THERE AND THE PUBLIC JUST GETS TO COME AND USE IT FOR
FREE. THERE’S A QUID PRO QUO.>>POINT OUT AS WELL —
>>HAVE TICKETS. COST DEMOLITION AND BUILDING
A BEACH. THAT $28 MILLION ALSO HAS TO
BE PAID FOR. THE KAIMANA BEACH COALITION
GOING TO RAISE THAT MONEY? ARE YOU ARE YOU GOING TO PAY
FOR THAT 28 MILLION? THERE IS A BASELINE COST TO DO
ANYTHING. WE NEED TO ACCEPT THAT THERE
SEA BASELINE COST TO DO ANYTHING. AND THEN THE DELTA IS WHAT
WE’RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT HAVING
THIS EXPERIENCE AND SWIMMING AND TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN TO
SWIM, THAT DOESN’T GO AWAY. KAIMANA BEACH IS STILL THERE. DIAMOND HEAD STILL WALL STILL
HOLDS THAT BEACH. LOST NOTHING. THEN BY PUTTING THIS NEW
OPPORTUNITY THAT ADDS OPPORTUNITY, BRINGS MORE
PEOPLE IN, GIVES MORE, WITHOUT TAKING ANYTHING AWAY,
IT’S A WIN-WIN SOLUTION.>>I WOULD SAY WHERE DO I GO
TO PARK MY CAR, TOUR BUSSES ARE THERE FOR THAT STAGE SHOW. JUST LIKE THE HAWAI’I THEATER
HAS SHOWS. YOU’RE POSITING A REVENUE
SOURCE. YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE
COMPETING USERS, THEY’RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY. THAT’S WHAT IS THE GOING TO
TAKE. HAVE PEOPLE FILLING THOSE
BLEACHERS. TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN
THE HOTELS JUST DOWN THE ROAD. THEY WON’T HAVE ANY TROUBLE
FILLING THAT UP FOR SHOWS. WHEN THIS HAPPEN, GRANDKIDS
WON’T REMEMBER HOW IT USED TO BE.>>Daryl: CAN YOU RULE OUT AT
THIS POINTS, AS A POLICY, THE HOLLYWOOD ASPECT OF IT AS
OPPOSED TO, HOW IS IT GOING TO OPERATE? BIG, GOT A BIG GRANDSTAND
THERE THAT YOU’RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINING. THAT YOU WANT TO USE. HOW DO YOU PICTURE USING THAT
IF IT’S NOT A REVENUE STREAM?>>ARE YOU RULING OUT HAVING
TO DEVELOP A REVENUE STREAM TO MAINTAIN IT? TALKING ABOUT MAINTAINING IT
NOW.>>SO LIKE SAID, WE MAIN TIAN
ALL OF PARKS, EVERYTHING, WITH TAXPAYOR MONEY. THAT’S REALLY RIGHT NOW, IN
THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE, HOW WE’RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO
MAIN CONTINUE THIS BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT, IT DOESN’T
MATTER WHAT THE SOLUTION IS. THE MAINTENANCE HAS TO HAPPEN
AND IT’S GOING TO BE A COST. I’M NOT WILLING TO GUARANTEE
ANYTHING ABOUT IT NOT BECOMING SOMEWHAT
COMMERCIALIZED. BUT I’M PRETTY SURE IT’S NOT
GOING TO. AND FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WOULD
REQUIRE MORE CONVERSATION. I MEAN, EIS AND THE
CONSTRUCTION OF THIS FACILITY IS NOT GOING TO INCLUDE USES
OF IT IN COMMERCIAL TYPE ACTIVITY. SO IF FOR SOME REASON, THREE
MAYORS DOWN THE ROAD, THEY DECIDE, WE’VE GOT A FACILITY
THERE. SHOULD USE IT FOR COMMERCIAL
ACTIVITIES. THEY WOULD HAVE GO THROUGH ALL
KINDS OF PUBLIC INPUT AND EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THEIR SAY
IN THE MATTER THERE. YOU REMEMBER ALSO THAT THIS IS
RIGHT UP AGAINST KAPIOLANI PARK. WE STRICT ABOUT NO
COMMERCIALIZATION. IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY
DIFFICULT TO TURN THIS VENUE INTO A COMMERCIAL TYPE
ACTIVITY.>>Daryl: THERE ARE SHOWS NOW
2 OR 3 NIGHTS A WEEK, COMMERCIAL EVENTS AT THE
AQUARIUM. THAT NEVER USED TO HAPPEN. THERE WAS NO CONVERSATION
ABOUT THAT. AND IT’S JUST HAPPENING. THAT’S HOW THESE THINGS END UP
WORK. THAT’S WHY WE HAVE TO LOOK
HARD AT IT BEFORE YOU GO DOWN THAT ROAD.>>Daryl: OKAY. GET MORE CALLERS. CALLERS FATHER’S FOUGHT IN
THE PHILIPPINES, MAINTAIN NATATORIUM WAS UNNECESSARY. MEMORIAL, BEACH WOULD BE A
BETTER MEMORIAL. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED USING
NATATORIUM FOR OCEAN SAFETY EDUCATION FOR KEIKI,
TOURISTS, JUNIOR LIFEGUARD TRAINING, OCEAN SAFETY,
ASKING THAT. WHAT OTHER POSITIVES, WHAT
ARE THE THINGS YOU SEE HAPPENING THERE? MAYBE YOU CAN WEIGH IN. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE A
WEEKEND AT THE NATATORIUM LIKE.>>AS A PLACE FOR FAMILIES
GATHERED WHERE THEY ARE TEACHING KEIKI TO SWIM BUT
ALSO, SAFE PLACE PERHAPS WITH PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES TO
ENTER THE OCEAN AND PARTICIPATE IN
OCEAN EXPERIENCES. AS A VIEWPOINT, LOOKING OUT
OVER THE OCEAN AND WATCHING THE SHIPS AND THE SUNSET. I DON’T SEE IT AS A COMMERCIAL
VENUE. I SEE IT AS A COMMUNITY VENUE. OFFERS A NICE ANCHOR TO THAT
PART OF WAIKIKI, TO THAT PART OF KAPIOLANI PARK. I SEE IT AS AN ASSET TO THE
COMMUNITY, ASSET TO THE CITY AND TO THE STATE. I DON’T SHARE THIS
UNWARRANTED FEAR OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN SOME DAY IF WE’RE
NOT VIGILANT. I THINK WE CAN BE VIGILANT AND
GUARD AGAINST THAT.>>Daryl: I’VE BEEN GIVING YOU
A BREAK AND NOT DRAG YOU INTO THIS CONVERSATION. I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR
PERSPECTIVE. MAYBE LESS AS AN EXPERT, MORE
AS A PERSON WHO KNOWS WAIKIKI, KNOWS THE OCEAN, LOVES THE
OCEAN. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS? WHAT THOUGHTS COME TO MIND
WHEN YOU HAVE THIS CONVERSATION?>>I WANTED TO KIND OF TAKE OFF
MY UNIVERSITY HAT FOR A MINUTE. PERSONAL OPINION. FULL DISCLOSURE. YOU USED TO BE A CITY & COUNTY
LIFEGUARD FOR ABOUT 15 YEARS.>>Daryl: THAT’S WHERE I KNEW
YOU BEFORE.>>ALSO RECREATE IN THE THIS
AREA WHERE MY FAMILY QUITE A BIT. VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA. I WANTED TO REFLECT ON ONE OF
THE COMMENTS THAT CAME FROM THE VIEWER ABOUT HAVING OCEAN
SAFETY SOME KIND OF HEADQUARTERS OR STATION
THERE. THERE’S A LIFEGUARD TOWER AT
KAIMANA NOW. IT’S JUST A SINGLE PERSON
TOWER. THEY ROTATE THROUGH. THERE IS A LIFEGUARD JET SKI
STORAGE FACILITY IN THE NATATORIUM NOW. REGARDLESS OF WHICHEVER
OPTION WE END UP DOING, I THINK IT IS A TREMENDOUS
OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE AN OCEAN SAFETY EDUCATION CENTER
THERE. AND THE LIFEGUARDS COULD HAVE
A PRESENCE THERE. THERE COULD BE WATER SAFETY,
JUNIOR LIFEGUARD PROGRAMS AS YOU MENTIONED, TO ME, THAT
WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN IN
THAT AREA. SEEMS FITTING. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THE
COMMUNITY WOULD ENJOY. SO A MULTIUSE AREA THAT COULD
BE PART EDUCATIONAL, AND BRING THE LIFEGUARDS INTO THE
FOLD.>>Daryl: ANOTHER QUESTION. JUST OCCURRED TO ME. FROM YOUR EXPERT POINT OF
VIEW. PULLING OUT THAT EXISTING
STRUCTURE, CLEANING UP WHATEVER STUFF IS THERE, IS
THERE ANY WAY OF PREDICTING WHAT THE BEACH WOULD LOOK LIKE
AFTER DOING THAT YOU COULD HAVE A BEACH.>>THAT’S A TOUGH ONE. I THINK THE SEDIMENT ON THAT’S
IN THERE NOW IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE MAY BE
UNDERESTIMATING HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO REMOVE. WHEN YOU TIE TO REMOVE REALLY
FINE SEDIMENT LIKE THAT, IT GETS EVERYWHERE. IT’S LIKE DUST. SO THAT IS SOMETHING I THINK
REGARDLESS OF WHICHEVER OPTION WE END UP PURSUING,
THAT’S SOMETHING WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT MORE
CLOSELY. AND IT WILL NEED TO BE
ADDRESSED I THINK. JUST LEAVING IT, IF YOU START
TO EXPOSE IT TO WAVE ENERGY, IT’S GOING TO START FLUSHING
AND GET AROUND. HAD SOME EXPERIENCE WITH THAT
IN WAIKIKI. IN 2012. WE DID A BEACH NOURISHMENT
PROJECT AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE MUCH MORE FINE SEDIMENT
THAN EXPECTED. TURNED MILKY.>>Daryl: ONE LAST WORD IN. SEEMS TO BE 3 TO 1.>>30 SECONDS. I THINK HE AGREED WITH A LOT
OF THE POINTS WE MADE. I’M SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE.>>Daryl: ONE THING I’LL JUST
THROW OUT. RUNNING OUT OF TIME. OCCURS TO ME THAT HANAUMA BAY
IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE THERE’S A LOT OF COMMERCIAL
ACTIVITY AT HANAUMA BAY ASSOCIATED WITH SUPPORTING
PEOPLE USING IT. ANOTHER DAY WE’LL TALK ABOUT
HANAUMA BAY AND WHETHER IT’S APPROPRIATELY BEING
COMMERCIALIZED OR TOO COMMERCIAL. ANYWAY, GIVE EVERYONE A
CHANCE TO KNOW HOW THEY CAN MAKE THEIR COMMENTS. A LOT OF COMMENTS FROM
VIEWERS. ADDRESS, EMAIL ADDRESS YOU
CAN SEND PUBLIC COMMENTS TO. IT’S MAILING ADDRESS IS TO
MAYOR KIRK CALDWELL CARE OF DEPARTMENT DESIGN AND
CONSTRUCTION. ROBERT J. KRONING. 650 SOUTH KING STREETS. 11TH FLOOR. HONOLULU, HAWAIʻI, 96813. EMAIL TO WWW.MC
[email protected] I THINK THAT’S THE
CONSULTANTS EMAIL ADDRESS. WE WILL POST THESE ADDRESSES
AT PBS HAWAII.ORG. IF YOU DON’T GET THEM. AND YOU CAN WEIGH IN ON WHAT
YOU THINK SHOULD BE FUTURE OF THE NATATORIUM. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR
JOINING US AND OUR GUESTS TONIGHT. ROBERT J. KRONING. DIRECTOR OF THE HONOLULU
CITY/COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION. KIERSTEN FAULKNER, EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF HISTORICAL HAWAI’I FOUNDATION. DOLAN EVERSOLE WAIKIKI BEACH
MANAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR UNIVERSITY SEA GRANT PROGRAM
AND JIM BICKERTON KAIMANA BEACH COALITION. LAST INSIGHT OF 2018. NEXT LIVE SHOW WILL BE
JANUARY 10. WHEN WE WILL PREVIEW THE 2019
LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I’M DARYL HUFF FOR INSIGHTS ON
PBS HAWAIʻI. HAPPY HOLIDAYS. A HUI HO.

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